Re: [Worship] Re:Gods Glory or Self

[Karrie <88Keys4Christ@comcast.net>]

Hi Steve and List

Thankyou for the many responses to this Topic,It has really given me 
alot of insight on so much, Its awesome to be part of a list of people 
who have really been through similar situations and for that its 
exactly what we are all here for to help one another and to be able to 
bring these things to the list.
I know I tended to ramble on in my letter I originally wrote and for 
that I am sorry, Next time I will make sure I get to the topic and not 
bring in alot of other things thats just me, I tend to go on and on and 
then you have to read a book to get to what I was asking so I apologize 
for that.
This is an incredibe list and Its nice to belong to it I have learned 
so much, and as far as this man we are dealing with on being too loud 
It will have to be God that humbles him and all any of us can do is 
pray he will see what he is really doing that is taking away from why 
we are all there.
Blessings
Karrie



----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Cobb <steve@worshipfulheart.com>
Date: Monday, May 5, 2003 5:50 pm
Subject: [Worship] Re:Gods Glory or Self

> To all interested,
> I think that at the heart of the issue is a lack of spiritual and 
> musical maturity. A spiritually mature person has the humble heart 
> of 
> a servant and does not want to bring glory upon himself/herself 
> with 
> unnecessary musical dynamics. A musically mature person knows that 
> for most situations less is more. They realize that they are there 
> to 
> compliment the rest of the band....not override them. Have I ever 
> experienced this? Who hasn't? :) Let's face it.....musically 
> gifted 
> people struggle more with pride and a 'need' for attention (hence 
> our 
> critical spirit of other musicians...we tend to think we could do 
> it 
> better). This creates lots of issues with submission and lack of 
> unity. My greatest struggle with this was with a youth worship 
> team. 
> My friend (who was at that time their youth leader) asked me to 
> come 
> and take over the music so he could focus more on the rest of the 
> program. The team consisted of high school aged youth and the 
> majority were ok with being 'guided' in the right direction. There 
> was one who wasn't. Of course he was the 'lead' electric guitar 
> player. He was not saved, didn't care about God, and had no 
> interest 
> in learning. Did we kick him out? No. Did I tell him when he was 
> playing too loud and too much? Yes. We had a Bible study each week 
> (most weeks we had one....I failed to prepare some of those weeks) 
> and it helped to develop the team and to plant seeds. This lead 
> guitarist eventually resigned. My feeling is that he figured out 
> that 
> he was not going to be allowed to show off and that the worship 
> time 
> was not a time for a concert. I only hope that good seeds were 
> planted. Should I have kicked him out? Only in an extreme 
> situation 
> and with God inspired reasons. I think your reaction to this 
> situation would change from church to church and situation to 
> situation. In general, I would think that this problem could be 
> helped with an emphasis on spiritual and musical training. Of 
> course....we as humans tend to stay in our sinful ruts for a long 
> time. Grace is always required when working with a human being 
> (even 
> when we deal with ourselves) :) This is a good topic! This is 
> something we will always deal with. I still deal with it from time 
> to 
> time with my current band. 
> -- 
> Steve Cobb
> Worshipful Heart Ministries
> www.worshipfulheart.com
> 
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